Use of Bike-Vise™ with 70 Series Tires Issues:

 

Potential Bike-Vise™ clamping jaw contact with the motorcycle’s front wheel rim was first noticed by a customer who had 120/70 Metzeler series front tire on his BMW and his buddy’s Yamaha FJR 1300 motorcycle with Dunlop120/70 tire.  With the Bike-Vise’s 300 lbs. of compressive force, it was evident that jaws could easily be compressed onto the wheel rim.  Measurements were taken and it appeared that the problem was the “Low Profile” tire height.  The sidewall height was not “high” enough to keep the wheel rim above the 3¼” tall vise leg. 

According to tire manufacturers, the mathematical computations for tire sidewall height on a 120/70 series tire is 120mm (tread width) x 70%= 84mm.  So, 84mm divided by 25.4mm/inch = 3.31” theoretical sidewall height.  Apparently this is from the center of the tread measured to the very top of the sidewall carcass BEFORE the tire is mounted on the rim and includes the tire bead because the Metzeler and the Dunlop both had sidewall heights from the surface to the edge of the rim that were 2.5”!   Initially, it seemed that the low profile 70 series tires were “too low” for the Bike-Vise tire clamp.  So, the warning was posted at this website in August 2003.

  Recently, a new Dunlop 110/80 series tire was evaluated.  Theoretically, the 110/80 Dunlop tire should have an 88mm sidewall height, which is 3.46” (only 0.15” difference from  the 120/70 “low profile” tire, not quite 1/8higher).  But, this 80 series Dunlop also measured less than 3” from surface to edge of the rim and yet it had no problem with wheel rim contact from the Bike-Vise clamp at all.  Even when the tire was thoroughly clamped for some demonstration photos of the gripping power of the Bike-Vise with a weighted platform, close-up photos of the tire being compressed showed a “pinching” of the tire carcass but absolutely no wheel rim contact.  

Further research was done and the real answer was discovered.  The problem is NOT the tire.  The problem is the wheel rim width.  In 2000, the largest front tire width was 3.5” wide.  This new BMW had a 4.0” wide rim and the FJR had a 4.5” wide rim to create more tire patch contact with 70 series tires.  Although a ½” wider wheel doesn’t seem like much, it does bring each sidewall out ¼” further (thereby making the sidewall more “vertical” to increase tire patch contact surface).  The end result is very little sidewall “bulge” to “squeeze” before the clamping legs of the Bike-Vise would contact the rim of the wheel.   

An extreme example of what’s happening can be visualized by remembering the “bulge” you see in the sidewall of radial tires on cars.  Now visualize the youngster’s cars today where they put 8” wide wheels on their cars with cheap skinny 80 series tires, which pulls the sidewall out so far you wonder how the tire stays beaded to the rim when the car goes around a corner.  

Solution for possible vise jaw to wheel rim contact:  Silicone a piece of rubber mat, or thick innertube, to the inside of the vise legs. 

 Photos of different rim sizes in the Bike-Vise and measurements for a template to make the rubber patterns to silicone to the inside of the vise clamping legs coming shortly.

  Motorcycles KNOWN to have 4” or larger wheels are some BMW models, the Yamaha FZR1300 and possibly the ST 1100 Honda.  As more information is gathered we will post those bikes here at the site.